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Vimeo vs. YouTube vs. Facebook vs. Viddler vs. SmugMug: Who reigns supreme in online HD video hosting?

I uploaded several test videos… but that was just the tip of the video sharing iceberg. I had so many questions. Who would come out on top and what would I learn?

04.15.2009 | View Comments

vimeo-logoUPDATE 2.22.2011 – We’ve added Blip.tv to the test with some initial thoughts below plus an embedded video for comparison.

Vimeo. YouTube. Facebook. Viddler. SmugMug. Dailymotion. Yahoo. Brightcove. The list is long, with colorful names, and it keeps growing. It seems like everyone is getting into the video hosting business. It’s no surprise really. One statistic I recently read suggests that in 2010 online video will surpass good old-fashioned television in number of viewing hours.

This is a gold rush of sorts. The Web is wide open when it comes to video, distribution and the potential for worldwide viewing audiences.

facebook-logoBut it can be confusing. There is so much choice. Some are free. Others are paid services. And some offer a combination of both.

I’ve spent several months testing these services, for my friends here at Stark Insider and also other web sites. I took notes. Surfed the web. Googled everything I could about “online video”, “video hosting”, “Vimeo vs. this”, “YouTube vs. that”. You name it. I was deep into research mode.

youtube-logo1I also uploaded several test videos. I wanted to know how long it would take to upload 720p video. But that was just the tip of the video sharing iceberg… I had so many questions…

How long would it take for video processing, and then for it to be ready to share with the world? What kind of options did each of these services offer in terms of embedding HD content, choosing thumbnails, tagging and promoting videos?

Who would come out on top, and what would I learn?

Think about your goals for online video

The first thing I learned is a lot of choice like I mentioned. So it’s important to figure out your goals. Are you trying to broadcast your video to as many people as possible in hopes of viral video utopia? Or are you an artist or film director more concerned over quality?

A popular saying is, “If you want to tell the world, use YouTube. If you want to show the world, use Vimeo”. Now that might have been true a year or so ago. But  YouTube has come a long way, and as you’ll see in our tests below, fares well in terms of quality. But it does underscore the importance of knowing what you’re trying to achieve.

You can, and probably should, use more than one service

Another point: it’s not an all or nothing proposition, meaning you can use (like SSC does) multiple video hosting services to achieve multiple goals. For example, sharing videos on Facebook is a great way to update all your family, friends and other contacts you have. At the same time, you may want to load the same video to YouTube to reach a broader, and possibly different audience. Those concerned about reaching overseas markets such as Europe, may look into Dailymotion, a French company that reaches a distinctly European crowd.

While it would be impossible to think that Google (YouTube) or Facebook would go out of business, it is a high probability for a number of the smaller, venture-backed start-ups. So it would be prudent to not put all your eggs in one basket. You may one day discover that your preferred host has run out of money and shut down, leaving you and your viewers in the proverbial dark. Case in point, check out a list of the “leading” online video hosting services even just 18 to 24 months ago, and you’ll discover many of the names are gone.

HD on the Web is new and requires oomph

Also keep in mind, HD video on the Web is new. In fact, probably only about a year old. Expect hiccups here and there. Overall I found 720p HD video to work very well.

But remember that not everyone has a newer laptop or PC with enough horsepower to support the processor demands the higher resolutions require. In that case, another suggestion: provide both. In the case of YouTube, an HD button allows the viewer to select a stream. But often, as I’ve learned, they don’t know about the option, and end up watching your beautiful work in poor standard YouTube “quality” – a bad experience.

Patience is a virtue, especially when encoding and uploading

The old days were so much fun. You could upload a delightfully 30 second grainy and pixelized video of your little one puking on the neighbor in record time. Today, though, videos are routinely 400MB (for a 10 minute 720p video) or larger. If you’re serious about video production you know all about the trials and tribulations of encoding too. Just to encode a 10 minute video (a common reference point because of YouTube’s limit) in H.264 (using 2-pass) can take 90 minutes – and that’s with a Quad Core PC. Then you need to upload that video which can take an hour or more depending on your connection. Then, the video host must again re-encode that same video for their streaming service. Quick math will tell you that this will take some time, and probably involve one or more overnight PC “chugging” sessions.

The contenders

This is not a scientific report here folks, so keep that in mind as I just share my thoughts, experiences and opinions on my particular results. Everyone has there favorite. And you can dice and slide this many ways.

To be sure, this market is changing quickly (Facebook just introduced HD uploads in late 2008), so I expect to revisit this from time to time, and would not be surprised to see a significant change in results (although I’d predict that both Google/YouTube and Facebook will continue to be major players).

YouTube (Google)

The gorilla, if even ugly. Well at least until they introduced HD. YouTube is your route to the largest audience pronto. No one else comes close, although Facebook is coming on.

I like YouTube’s channel feature that allows you to design a page that features all your videos, organized by playlist (example).

Uploading was straight forward, although I usually did not see any progress bar, which is frustrating. You would think this to be an easy feature. Inexplicably on a few occasions over the past month I did see progress information, then days later would not. I had the same results over multiple browser types.

Quality wise, standard definition on YouTube is for the, well, dogs. It places last and everyone knows it. But Google doesn’t seem to care since it’s been that way for years. HD though is a different, and markedly improved story. In fact on my tests, I think YouTube came out on top or close to it with 720p HD content. One issue though was it did not seem to stream as well as others, notable Facebook and Vimeo.

The player itself on YouTube is old school and lags the slicker appearances offered by Vimeo, Facebook and Smugmug. The controls sit along the bottom and look decidedly very early 21st century, say 2001. Floating controls are a much better option, at least for us, as they maximize the viewing experience by minimizing distractions.

YouTube is completely free. Uploads are limited to 10 minutes and 1GB which should give you plenty of elbow room. I could not detect any daily or weekly maximums.

Then there’s perception. To me, the YouTube logo itself is synonymous with seeing someone get kicked in the balls. You know, American’s Funniest Home Videos. On the other hand, even CNN references them and uses their clips. So maybe I’m jumping to conclusions when I say that YouTube feels decidedly downmarket.

Vimeo

Vimeo is a class act. The only problem is their free service is limited to 500MB and 1 HD upload per week. For SSC we would hit that limit in a day or so. Further, you can only embed at standard definition unless you again upgrade to the Plus service.

I like the interfaces, both on the player itself and the Vimeo web site. They are clean, modern and attractive. I have not yet tried the upgraded service (which costs $59.95/year) which apparently enables some amount of player customization.

Vimeo also offers a community and you can connect with others, share videos, discover, etc. But to me, the main attractions are the aesthetics of the player, the quality of the stream, and the performance of their Web site for uploads. One irksome bit: each embedded HD “play” will also cost you, above and beyond the yearly fee. You receive 5,000 plays with your subscription and then need to pay for more once those are exhausted. Vimeo should offer an all-you-can-eat plan. The last thing people want to worry about is how many HD plays they are giving out. From what I can tell, Vimeo is the only vendor with this pricing model. Note that when someone watches your video on the Vimeo web site it’s free; this is strictly referring to embedded HD video.

Dailymotion

Est-ce que tu parle francais? No matter, Dailymotion also has a broad english speaking audience, predominantly in Europe. I haven’t worked with this one as long as the others so I have more to learn. Becoming a “Motion Maker” (which is free) enables you to upload more content and at HD. For now, this is strictly a way to see if we can reach European audiences – although I would suspect that YouTube already does a pretty good job of this.

Note: all of the so-called “friend” requests coming in through Dailymotion have been spam.

Viddler

This one seems pretty decent, and I notice a lot of gaming sites use them. I also have limited experience with their service. But so far it does seem to work effectively. The batch uploader is nice and I wish Facebook would offer something similar (in time I suspect).

Facebook

This the only other game in town when it comes to combining video sharing with social networking. In the end, it will be Google’s YouTube vs. Facebook.  Of course, if you’re a heavy FB user then this will probably be your best option, especially since they now offer HD.

I was pleasantly surprised by the quality. The player itself is compact and classy too. Nice. Upload limits are generous: 1GB and 20 minutes. Sharing videos is simple and uses all the standard FB conventions, including the ability to tag people in the video.

Customization is the weak spot for Facebook now, although again I expect it to rapidly improve as they ramp their battle against YouTube. You can chose thumbnails, add a title and description, but beyond that there’s not much else. For example, there are no playlists or channels (aside from creating a FB “page” or viewing the Wall). Facebook is all about social networking. And the video feature is (although a very good one) an add on, not a dedicated business.

SmugMug

Originally a photo sharing site for high end work, they’ve added video capability recently. This is a pay service, and a hefty one at that ($149.95 for HD). Unlike the Vimeo pricing, this includes unlimited HD embeds. If you do the math, you may discover that SmugMug works out better in the long-run for you if you offer a lot of embedded HD video plays.

SmugMug evokes a premium, high end experience… like being a Mercedes dealership. Everything is glossy, dramatic. Their player is terrific with nice pop-up effects.

Their market position is all about quality. In fact, they even offer 1080p video. To me, this doesn’t matter, but it will over time. It will probably take 2 more years before computers, bandwidth and even patience for that matter, will bring streaming 1080p to the masses. I could be wrong!

Interestingly when I tried some embedded video I was not all that impressed with the quality. It could be my setting. But I used the same video and it seemed sharper and colors were more vibrant on YouTube HD.

This service probably won’t make the cut for us as it is geared towards photographers first. If you’re strictly a videographer then you end up paying for a lot of photo-related services you’ll never use.

If there was a video option and lower cost payment plan, we may consider this one. I love the player, and their logo!

Yahoo

Yahoo, Yahoo… Yahoo??! Weak, weak, weak. Where are you? Limited to 150MB of video. There is just nothing here to consider as a worthy competitive offering. Disappointing.

Flickr (Yahoo)

Many may be surprised to learn that Flickr allows video uploads. Mind you, they can only be up to 90 seconds in length. They consider them more as artistic extensions of photos. So full-blown video service it is not. But for short stuff it may work, especially if you already use them for photos. For us, though, it doesn’t make the list.

Blip.tv (Added 2.22.2011)

We’ve just added Blip.tv to this comparison test as it has a strong feature set and warrants consideration by those looking for something to handle episodic video. Also, Blip.tv appears to be well suited for advertising with preroll, overlay, postroll and midroll options and a fairly strong suite of tools to measure revenue. The service will automatically create an iTunes RSS feed (so long as you encode in proper H.264 format) which can take a lot of headache out of getting your content onto iTunes.

But wait… there’s more!

I realize I haven’t covered everything here. I think that’s an impossible task. For example, I did not test blip.tv or Brightcove (the market leading white label player). I’d be interested to hear others I may have missed and what you think.

Live HD comparisons

Okay, enough preamble. Here are the videos, in no particular order. You be the judge. Keep in mind this is a mix of apples and oranges. Some of these are embedded HD, others like Vimeo are not, since they are paid services and we’re still benchmarking before making a final decision. I like using the frame at about 0:23 with the Napa sign in the background, which is a good test of legibility.

You may want to bookmark this page as I will update it with more videos as I upload to more services over the coming weeks and share thoughts about our decision and continued tests. Thanks for visiting, and, as they say, stay tuned!

Vimeo

Facebook

YouTube

Dailymotion

Viddler

Blip.tv

A quick word about encoding

We use Premiere Pro and the Adobe Media Encoder.

Encoding is: H.264, 1280×720, AAC, 29.97 fps.

What do you think?

Alright, let me hear it. Help me and each other by sharing your feedback and expertise… please rank which you think are the best in the comments below. Are there any services that I’ve missed, and what’s your experience been like using YouTube, Vimeo, Facebook, and others to host your videos?

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  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around "commercial use" are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around "commercial use" are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around "commercial use" are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around “commercial use” are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around “commercial use” are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around “commercial use” are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around “commercial use” are downright scary.

  • jason

    Vimeo definitely has the best technology platform IMHO, but both their Terms of Service and cryptic language around “commercial use” are downright scary.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn't reviewed the TOS but I will now.<br />
    <br />
    I've read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn't reviewed the TOS but I will now.<br />
    <br />
    I've read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn't reviewed the TOS but I will now.<br />
    <br />
    I've read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn’t reviewed the TOS but I will now.

    I’ve read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn’t reviewed the TOS but I will now.

    I’ve read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn’t reviewed the TOS but I will now.

    I’ve read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn’t reviewed the TOS but I will now.

    I’ve read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks I hadn’t reviewed the TOS but I will now.

    I’ve read that Vimeo uses some kind of flash technology whereas some others, like YouTube use H.264 which produce better results, but I could be wrong about that.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can't figure how to get that icon to indicate it's on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can't figure how to get that icon to indicate it's on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can't figure how to get that icon to indicate it's on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can’t figure how to get that icon to indicate it’s on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can’t figure how to get that icon to indicate it’s on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can’t figure how to get that icon to indicate it’s on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can’t figure how to get that icon to indicate it’s on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Alright, I give… how did you get the YouTube to not only FORCE play in HD, but have the HD symbol go red? I know how to force it to play in HD, but can’t figure how to get that icon to indicate it’s on. Please help. :) Nice review.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Glenn

    Nevermind, found it… obviously a new feature.

  • Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.<br />
    <br />
    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can't claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often. <br />
    <br />
    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!<br />
    <br />
    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

  • Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.<br />
    <br />
    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can't claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often. <br />
    <br />
    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!<br />
    <br />
    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

  • Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.<br />
    <br />
    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can't claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often. <br />
    <br />
    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!<br />
    <br />
    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

  • http://practice.ie/blogs/heather/vimeo-place-artists-part-1 Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.

    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can’t claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often.

    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!

    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

    • Mike Carrall

      Thanks Heather. I’d be interested to read about your findings!

      We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it “fails” and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I’ve run into this issue with.

      I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I’d say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.

      Still we continue to evaluate. So far we’re leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable “hubnut” player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).

      I’m still impressed with Facebook for a free service it’s pretty darn good.

      And YouTube HD looks really sweet.

      But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!

      Thanks again for your comments.

  • http://practice.ie/blogs/heather/vimeo-place-artists-part-1 Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.

    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can’t claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often.

    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!

    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

    • Mike Carrall

      Thanks Heather. I’d be interested to read about your findings!

      We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it “fails” and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I’ve run into this issue with.

      I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I’d say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.

      Still we continue to evaluate. So far we’re leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable “hubnut” player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).

      I’m still impressed with Facebook for a free service it’s pretty darn good.

      And YouTube HD looks really sweet.

      But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!

      Thanks again for your comments.

  • http://practice.ie/blogs/heather/vimeo-place-artists-part-1 Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.

    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can’t claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often.

    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!

    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

    • Mike Carrall

      Thanks Heather. I’d be interested to read about your findings!

      We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it “fails” and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I’ve run into this issue with.

      I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I’d say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.

      Still we continue to evaluate. So far we’re leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable “hubnut” player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).

      I’m still impressed with Facebook for a free service it’s pretty darn good.

      And YouTube HD looks really sweet.

      But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!

      Thanks again for your comments.

  • http://practice.ie/blogs/heather/vimeo-place-artists-part-1 Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.

    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can’t claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often.

    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!

    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

    • Mike Carrall

      Thanks Heather. I’d be interested to read about your findings!

      We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it “fails” and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I’ve run into this issue with.

      I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I’d say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.

      Still we continue to evaluate. So far we’re leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable “hubnut” player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).

      I’m still impressed with Facebook for a free service it’s pretty darn good.

      And YouTube HD looks really sweet.

      But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!

      Thanks again for your comments.

  • http://practice.ie/blogs/heather/vimeo-place-artists-part-1 Heather

    This is a great comparison of the different options! I am writing my own review of Vimeo for artist and linking to this as background :) Thanks for sharing.

    You asked about Blip.tv, and I can’t claim to know anything about the HD quality, but, they would win on community and features for commercial/professional operations like yours. It really has attracted a good audience there. I always say YouTube is kinda in the bad part of town, comments are mental sometimes, and some weird stuff shows up in the sidebar way too often.

    Blip.tv has a stricter content policy, and it just attracts a more mature audience. I think it would suit you well!

    I also had great customer service from them- I had a technical problem with integrating with Drupal and the Blip.tv developers jumped right in and worked on a solution within a couple of days. I was amazed.

    • Mike Carrall

      Thanks Heather. I’d be interested to read about your findings!

      We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it “fails” and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I’ve run into this issue with.

      I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I’d say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.

      Still we continue to evaluate. So far we’re leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable “hubnut” player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).

      I’m still impressed with Facebook for a free service it’s pretty darn good.

      And YouTube HD looks really sweet.

      But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!

      Thanks again for your comments.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks Heather. I'd be interested to read about your findings!<br />
    <br />
    We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it &quot;fails&quot; and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I've run into this issue with.<br />
    <br />
    I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I'd say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.<br />
    <br />
    Still we continue to evaluate. So far we're leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable &quot;hubnut&quot; player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).<br />
    <br />
    I'm still impressed with Facebook for a free service it's pretty darn good. <br />
    <br />
    And YouTube HD looks really sweet.<br />
    <br />
    But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!<br />
    <br />
    Thanks again for your comments.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks Heather. I'd be interested to read about your findings!<br />
    <br />
    We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it &quot;fails&quot; and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I've run into this issue with.<br />
    <br />
    I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I'd say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.<br />
    <br />
    Still we continue to evaluate. So far we're leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable &quot;hubnut&quot; player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).<br />
    <br />
    I'm still impressed with Facebook for a free service it's pretty darn good. <br />
    <br />
    And YouTube HD looks really sweet.<br />
    <br />
    But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!<br />
    <br />
    Thanks again for your comments.

  • Mike Carrall

    Thanks Heather. I'd be interested to read about your findings!<br />
    <br />
    We tried Blip.tv and it appears to be better suited to aspiring TV or Indie film producers. I keep running into problems trying to load the very same video (Wine Tube TV Franciscan Estates) used in the above comparisons. Blip.tv only gives you 1 hr encoding time, at least for the free version. This means a 10 minute HD video may not make it in less than that, and hence it &quot;fails&quot; and does not upload. Note that this is the ONLY service I've run into this issue with.<br />
    <br />
    I did play around with their embedded video jukebox which was quite nice. I'd say it was close to Vimeo, but still ranks 2nd. They need to increase their tiny Star Trek-like font for us older guys.<br />
    <br />
    Still we continue to evaluate. So far we're leaning towards Vimeo with their awesome embeddable &quot;hubnut&quot; player (see at bottom of StarkSilverCreek footer for it in action).<br />
    <br />
    I'm still impressed with Facebook for a free service it's pretty darn good. <br />
    <br />
    And YouTube HD looks really sweet.<br />
    <br />
    But Vimeo seems to provide the most well-rounded set of options out there, with lots of customization. An uploadable watermark (like Viddler offers) would be icing on the cake. Bonus points: if they would offer an all-you-can-eat HD embeds option… I feel miserable watching my counter decline after every HD view. Which is unfortunate. I should celebrate every view instead!<br />
    <br />
    Thanks again for your comments.

  • leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill's BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH's soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka &quot;soy foam&quot;<br />
    <br />
    I started out with Viddler due to it's clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH's soy polyols.<br />
    <br />
    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.<br />
    <br />
    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill's BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH's soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka &quot;soy foam&quot;<br />
    <br />
    I started out with Viddler due to it's clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH's soy polyols.<br />
    <br />
    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.<br />
    <br />
    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill's BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH's soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka &quot;soy foam&quot;<br />
    <br />
    I started out with Viddler due to it's clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH's soy polyols.<br />
    <br />
    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.<br />
    <br />
    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • http://www.tkpartnership.com leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill’s BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH’s soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka “soy foam”

    I started out with Viddler due to it’s clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH’s soy polyols.

    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.

    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • http://www.tkpartnership.com/ leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill’s BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH’s soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka “soy foam”

    I started out with Viddler due to it’s clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH’s soy polyols.

    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.

    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • http://www.tkpartnership.com/ leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill’s BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH’s soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka “soy foam”

    I started out with Viddler due to it’s clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH’s soy polyols.

    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.

    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • http://www.tkpartnership.com/ leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill’s BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH’s soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka “soy foam”

    I started out with Viddler due to it’s clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH’s soy polyols.

    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.

    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • http://www.tkpartnership.com leslie carothers

    This was SUCH a helpful article. Thanks very much. My company, The Kaleidoscope Partnership runs social media for Cargill’s BiOH polyols division and we are currently experimenting with video uploading of the many different furniture and mattress manufacturers who use BiOH’s soy based polyol ingredient in their cushioning-aka “soy foam”

    I started out with Viddler due to it’s clean interface and branding feature(which you mention) and now have switched over to YouTube as our goal is to help as many people as possible find out about which retailers and manufacturers are using foams made with BiOH’s soy polyols.

    Reading your review has saved me UNTOLD hours of time and I am very grateful-I have been watching these new services pop up and wondering about the value of each for my client.

    Now I know! Thanks again.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.<br />
    <br />
    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited &quot;short&quot; videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…<br />
    <br />
    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.<br />
    <br />
    For our solution: Vimeo's paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video's we're going to do (and we'll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.<br />
    <br />
    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited &quot;short&quot; videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…<br />
    <br />
    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.<br />
    <br />
    For our solution: Vimeo's paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video's we're going to do (and we'll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.<br />
    <br />
    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited &quot;short&quot; videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…<br />
    <br />
    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.<br />
    <br />
    For our solution: Vimeo's paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video's we're going to do (and we'll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.

    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited “short” videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…

    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.

    For our solution: Vimeo’s paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video’s we’re going to do (and we’ll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.

    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited “short” videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…

    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.

    For our solution: Vimeo’s paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video’s we’re going to do (and we’ll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.

    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited “short” videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…

    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.

    For our solution: Vimeo’s paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video’s we’re going to do (and we’ll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.

    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited “short” videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…

    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.

    For our solution: Vimeo’s paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video’s we’re going to do (and we’ll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Brian Blocker

    Legit article. I am doing a huge compare/contrast right now for my client and this answers a lot of questions.

    I completely agree with you on multiple services. I like Vimeo because they give you the ability to have longer movies. I like smugmug because you can have unlimited “short” videos – and we can sell photos. I like how global youtube is…

    You pretty much nailed it: the solution really depends on the need.

    For our solution: Vimeo’s paid solution for the long videos, smugmug for the hundreds of short HD video’s we’re going to do (and we’ll be selling photos as well… so this fits really well), and youtube for teasers that bring people to our site to see the rest of the videos.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.<br />
    <br />
    Our video is unique in that we don't want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited. <br />
    <br />
    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV's paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.<br />
    <br />
    Our video is unique in that we don't want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited. <br />
    <br />
    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV's paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.<br />
    <br />
    Our video is unique in that we don't want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited. <br />
    <br />
    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV's paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.

    Our video is unique in that we don’t want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited.

    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV’s paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.

    Our video is unique in that we don’t want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited.

    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV’s paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.

    Our video is unique in that we don’t want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited.

    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV’s paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.

    Our video is unique in that we don’t want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited.

    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV’s paid solution meets our needs.

  • Kimberly Silk

    This is a fantastic article, and is exactly what I need as I determine which video service to use.

    Our video is unique in that we don’t want to distribute it widely, but instead to a closed community. We record research presentations given at our institute, and so the audience for same is limited.

    My criteria is good quality video that can be embedded in our walled-garden blog, and viewed by a restricted list of people. So far, Blip.TV’s paid solution meets our needs.

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:<br />
    <br />
    According to Vimeo's FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.<br />
    <br />
    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.<br />
    <br />
    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn't see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:<br />
    <br />
    According to Vimeo's FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.<br />
    <br />
    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.<br />
    <br />
    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn't see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:<br />
    <br />
    According to Vimeo's FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.<br />
    <br />
    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.<br />
    <br />
    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn't see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:

    According to Vimeo’s FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.

    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.

    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn’t see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:

    According to Vimeo’s FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.

    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.

    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn’t see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:

    According to Vimeo’s FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.

    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.

    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn’t see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:

    According to Vimeo’s FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.

    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.

    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn’t see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • Mark Simonds

    Very informative article. A few comments that might be helpful to readers:

    According to Vimeo’s FAQ for their Plus service they include 25,000 HD embeds with purchase. Additional embed can be purchased at $25 for 10k.

    Viddler allows unlimited HD uploads with a size cap of 500mb.

    A service I have been using and am quite pleased with is TubeMogul.com. They allow the video to be uploaded ONCE to their servers and then they distribute them to almost any video hosting provider. Their uploads max at 300mb, but that number can be increased by purchasing a premium account. I didn’t see any pricing for their premium accounts but was instead told to fill out an inquiry form (grrr).

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.<br />
    <br />
    a correction..<br />
    <br />
    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.<br />
    <br />
    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.<br />
    <br />
    a correction..<br />
    <br />
    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.<br />
    <br />
    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.<br />
    <br />
    a correction..<br />
    <br />
    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.<br />
    <br />
    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.

    a correction..

    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.

    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.

    a correction..

    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.

    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.

    a correction..

    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.

    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.

    a correction..

    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.

    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • morgan

    thanks for an excellent article…I keep coming back ot it.

    a correction..

    smugmug does NOT have unlimited HD embeds. It does not offer any HD embeds but it does have unlimited HD uploads (under 10 min and 512meg) to their site and viewing in their site.

    the quality and FAAAAAAAST streaming imho makes them actually better then Vimeo…and I never thought I would say that!

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • Israel Saari

    Thanks – excellent article.

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players.

    For example:

    http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players. <br />
    <br />
    For example:<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/&quot; target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crus…</a>

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players.

    For example:

    http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players. <br />
    <br />
    For example:<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/&quot; target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crus…</a>

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players.

    For example:

    http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players. <br />
    <br />
    For example:<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/&quot; target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crus…</a>

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players.

    For example:

    http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/

  • jack

    Don’t forget about Asia. If you want to reach a global audience, it is the continent with the largest population. People there don’t always use Youtube and the other aforementioned players.

    For example:

    http://mashable.com/2008/02/04/youtube-korea-crushed-by-local-competition/

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea.

    http://www.pandora.tv/

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea. <a href="http://www.pandora.tv/&quot; target="_blank"><a href="http://www.pandora.tv/</a>&quot; target="_blank">http://www.pandora.tv/</a></a&gt;

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea.

    http://www.pandora.tv/

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea. <a href="http://www.pandora.tv/&quot; target="_blank"><a href="http://www.pandora.tv/</a>&quot; target="_blank">http://www.pandora.tv/</a></a&gt;

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea.

    http://www.pandora.tv/

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea. <a href="http://www.pandora.tv/&quot; target="_blank"><a href="http://www.pandora.tv/</a>&quot; target="_blank">http://www.pandora.tv/</a></a&gt;

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea.

    http://www.pandora.tv/

  • jack

    Btw, here's the link to the most popular video sharing service in Korea.

    http://www.pandora.tv/

  • Andy

    I notice that the viddler copy had a tag with a message box with more information. This would be very useful for me as I try to upload video of municipal board discussions. For transparency it is important to upload as much of the meeting as possible. However, the tags would help people get to the part of the agenda that is of interest to them. Do you know if other services offer the same tagging capability? Can you share what you learned about this feature?

    • Mike C

      Hi Andy, From what I can tell only Viddler offers this "tagging" or bookmarking feature. I agree it is very useful to mark spots in a video so that viewers can jump to points of interest.

  • Andy

    I notice that the viddler copy had a tag with a message box with more information. This would be very useful for me as I try to upload video of municipal board discussions. For transparency it is important to upload as much of the meeting as possible. However, the tags would help people get to the part of the agenda that is of interest to them. Do you know if other services offer the same tagging capability? Can you share what you learned about this feature?

    • Mike C

      Hi Andy, From what I can tell only Viddler offers this "tagging" or bookmarking feature. I agree it is very useful to mark spots in a video so that viewers can jump to points of interest.

  • Andy

    I notice that the viddler copy had a tag with a message box with more information. This would be very useful for me as I try to upload video of municipal board discussions. For transparency it is important to upload as much of the meeting as possible. However, the tags would help people get to the part of the agenda that is of interest to them. Do you know if other services offer the same tagging capability? Can you share what you learned about this feature?

    • Mike C

      Hi Andy, From what I can tell only Viddler offers this "tagging" or bookmarking feature. I agree it is very useful to mark spots in a video so that viewers can jump to points of interest.

  • Andy

    I notice that the viddler copy had a tag with a message box with more information. This would be very useful for me as I try to upload video of municipal board discussions. For transparency it is important to upload as much of the meeting as possible. However, the tags would help people get to the part of the agenda that is of interest to them. Do you know if other services offer the same tagging capability? Can you share what you learned about this feature?

    • Mike C

      Hi Andy, From what I can tell only Viddler offers this "tagging" or bookmarking feature. I agree it is very useful to mark spots in a video so that viewers can jump to points of interest.

  • Andy

    I notice that the viddler copy had a tag with a message box with more information. This would be very useful for me as I try to upload video of municipal board discussions. For transparency it is important to upload as much of the meeting as possible. However, the tags would help people get to the part of the agenda that is of interest to them. Do you know if other services offer the same tagging capability? Can you share what you learned about this feature?

    • Mike C

      Hi Andy, From what I can tell only Viddler offers this "tagging" or bookmarking feature. I agree it is very useful to mark spots in a video so that viewers can jump to points of interest.

  • http://live-zakynthos.com/ spyros

    Mike,

    I'm a video specialist by profession and I too thought your video looked better on Vimeo however, I'm not pleased with how long you have to wait before it starts playing. I've noticed this many times with Vimeo. There's some serious buffering there and it gives the impression thats it's broken. Youtube is not far behind and I don't think we need to be too anal about it – we need to concentrate on putting our message across and we need to be sure our streaming is as smooth as possible.

    All services were interrupted for me on various occassions, it might be a bad day for my office Internet connection or maybe it's the streaming services.

    Viddler doesn't look good enough – too much blocking.

    Audio is also an important issue and I thought it sounded fuller on YouTube.

    I'm currently developing a small travel portal and I was too considering my options. I think I'm choosing YouTube and facebook but I think you should reconsider Blip.tv mainly because of it's great support and amazing analytics tools (such as when users skip your videos, how long they watch them, when they forward and so on). They also submit your videos to other engines so it's good for content management.

    With regards to encoding I think you can do better. Try x264 with MeGUI. It has a steep lurning curve as it's open source and requires some configuration with additional tools but you can do wonders with it – there's plenty of info about it on the doom9 forums but if you need more help don't hesitate to contact me

    spyros

    • http://www.starkinsider.com/ Mike C

      Spyros, thanks for your excellent comment. I agree with you on start time for videos using Vimeo – it's too long. I understand it needs to buffer a bit, but YouTube and Facebook both start much faster. As does Viddler. At least in my tests. In terms of reliability, I also agree – I've had bumps along the way with all of them. Probably one more reason again to use more than one service just in case. Viddler has a new HD service in beta, but I believe they want to charge for it. I'm keeping my eye on Blip.tv. We may use it here on SSC. Thanks for your encoding suggestion… do you think the videos on this post would look better using your suggested technique?

      Thanks again!

  • http://live-zakynthos.com/ spyros

    Mike,

    I'm a video specialist by profession and I too thought your video looked better on Vimeo however, I'm not pleased with how long you have to wait before it starts playing. I've noticed this many times with Vimeo. There's some serious buffering there and it gives the impression thats it's broken. Youtube is not far behind and I don't think we need to be too anal about it – we need to concentrate on putting our message across and we need to be sure our streaming is as smooth as possible.

    All services were interrupted for me on various occassions, it might be a bad day for my office Internet connection or maybe it's the streaming services.

    Viddler doesn't look good enough – too much blocking.

    Audio is also an important issue and I thought it sounded fuller on YouTube.

    I'm currently developing a small travel portal and I was too considering my options. I think I'm choosing YouTube and facebook but I think you should reconsider Blip.tv mainly because of it's great support and amazing analytics tools (such as when users skip your videos, how long they watch them, when they forward and so on). They also submit your videos to other engines so it's good for content management.

    With regards to encoding I think you can do better. Try x264 with MeGUI. It has a steep lurning curve as it's open source and requires some configuration with additional tools but you can do wonders with it – there's plenty of info about it on the doom9 forums but if you need more help don't hesitate to contact me

    spyros

    • http://www.StarkSilverCreek.com/ Mike C

      Spyros, thanks for your excellent comment. I agree with you on start time for videos using Vimeo – it's too long. I understand it needs to buffer a bit, but YouTube and Facebook both start much faster. As does Viddler. At least in my tests. In terms of reliability, I also agree – I've had bumps along the way with all of them. Probably one more reason again to use more than one service just in case. Viddler has a new HD service in beta, but I believe they want to charge for it. I'm keeping my eye on Blip.tv. We may use it here on SSC. Thanks for your encoding suggestion… do you think the videos on this post would look better using your suggested technique?

      Thanks again!

  • http://live-zakynthos.com/ spyros

    Mike,

    I'm a video specialist by profession and I too thought your video looked better on Vimeo however, I'm not pleased with how long you have to wait before it starts playing. I've noticed this many times with Vimeo. There's some serious buffering there and it gives the impression thats it's broken. Youtube is not far behind and I don't think we need to be too anal about it – we need to concentrate on putting our message across and we need to be sure our streaming is as smooth as possible.

    All services were interrupted for me on various occassions, it might be a bad day for my office Internet connection or maybe it's the streaming services.

    Viddler doesn't look good enough – too much blocking.

    Audio is also an important issue and I thought it sounded fuller on YouTube.

    I'm currently developing a small travel portal and I was too considering my options. I think I'm choosing YouTube and facebook but I think you should reconsider Blip.tv mainly because of it's great support and amazing analytics tools (such as when users skip your videos, how long they watch them, when they forward and so on). They also submit your videos to other engines so it's good for content management.

    With regards to encoding I think you can do better. Try x264 with MeGUI. It has a steep lurning curve as it's open source and requires some configuration with additional tools but you can do wonders with it – there's plenty of info about it on the doom9 forums but if you need more help don't hesitate to contact me

    spyros

    • http://www.StarkSilverCreek.com/ Mike C

      Spyros, thanks for your excellent comment. I agree with you on start time for videos using Vimeo – it's too long. I understand it needs to buffer a bit, but YouTube and Facebook both start much faster. As does Viddler. At least in my tests. In terms of reliability, I also agree – I've had bumps along the way with all of them. Probably one more reason again to use more than one service just in case. Viddler has a new HD service in beta, but I believe they want to charge for it. I'm keeping my eye on Blip.tv. We may use it here on SSC. Thanks for your encoding suggestion… do you think the videos on this post would look better using your suggested technique?

      Thanks again!

  • spyros

    Mike,

    I'm a video specialist by profession and I too thought your video looked better on Vimeo however, I'm not pleased with how long you have to wait before it starts playing. I've noticed this many times with Vimeo. There's some serious buffering there and it gives the impression thats it's broken. Youtube is not far behind and I don't think we need to be too anal about it – we need to concentrate on putting our message across and we need to be sure our streaming is as smooth as possible.

    All services were interrupted for me on various occassions, it might be a bad day for my office Internet connection or maybe it's the streaming services.

    Viddler doesn't look good enough – too much blocking.

    Audio is also an important issue and I thought it sounded fuller on YouTube.

    I'm currently developing a small travel portal and I was too considering my options. I think I'm choosing YouTube and facebook but I think you should reconsider Blip.tv mainly because of it's great support and amazing analytics tools (such as when users skip your videos, how long they watch them, when they forward and so on). They also submit your videos to other engines so it's good for content management.

    With regards to encoding I think you can do better. Try x264 with MeGUI. It has a steep lurning curve as it's open source and requires some configuration with additional tools but you can do wonders with it – there's plenty of info about it on the doom9 forums but if you need more help don't hesitate to contact me

    spyros

    • http://www.starkinsider.com Mike C

      Spyros, thanks for your excellent comment. I agree with you on start time for videos using Vimeo – it's too long. I understand it needs to buffer a bit, but YouTube and Facebook both start much faster. As does Viddler. At least in my tests. In terms of reliability, I also agree – I've had bumps along the way with all of them. Probably one more reason again to use more than one service just in case. Viddler has a new HD service in beta, but I believe they want to charge for it. I'm keeping my eye on Blip.tv. We may use it here on SSC. Thanks for your encoding suggestion… do you think the videos on this post would look better using your suggested technique?

      Thanks again!

  • spyros

    Mike,

    I'm a video specialist by profession and I too thought your video looked better on Vimeo however, I'm not pleased with how long you have to wait before it starts playing. I've noticed this many times with Vimeo. There's some serious buffering there and it gives the impression thats it's broken. Youtube is not far behind and I don't think we need to be too anal about it – we need to concentrate on putting our message across and we need to be sure our streaming is as smooth as possible.

    All services were interrupted for me on various occassions, it might be a bad day for my office Internet connection or maybe it's the streaming services.

    Viddler doesn't look good enough – too much blocking.

    Audio is also an important issue and I thought it sounded fuller on YouTube.

    I'm currently developing a small travel portal and I was too considering my options. I think I'm choosing YouTube and facebook but I think you should reconsider Blip.tv mainly because of it's great support and amazing analytics tools (such as when users skip your videos, how long they watch them, when they forward and so on). They also submit your videos to other engines so it's good for content management.

    With regards to encoding I think you can do better. Try x264 with MeGUI. It has a steep lurning curve as it's open source and requires some configuration with additional tools but you can do wonders with it – there's plenty of info about it on the doom9 forums but if you need more help don't hesitate to contact me

    spyros

    • http://www.StarkSilverCreek.com Mike C

      Spyros, thanks for your excellent comment. I agree with you on start time for videos using Vimeo – it's too long. I understand it needs to buffer a bit, but YouTube and Facebook both start much faster. As does Viddler. At least in my tests. In terms of reliability, I also agree – I've had bumps along the way with all of them. Probably one more reason again to use more than one service just in case. Viddler has a new HD service in beta, but I believe they want to charge for it. I'm keeping my eye on Blip.tv. We may use it here on SSC. Thanks for your encoding suggestion… do you think the videos on this post would look better using your suggested technique?

      Thanks again!

  • FilmStar

    Vimeo has to be one of the most inconsiderate online companies I’ve ever subscribed to. In the past year they’ve implemented changes on the site with complete disregard for their subscribers. These things were supposed to be “upgrades” but were nothing of the sort. We had large amounts of stored data literally erased overnight and never received so much as an apology. It was as if they intentionally plowed us down. Also, spread out over the past year, in total I bet two weeks of it the site was down. I would quit making videos before I would ever give Vimeo another penny.

    XR on the other hand is completely free, beautifully laid out and far more professional. Check it out.

  • FilmStar

    Vimeo has to be one of the most inconsiderate online companies I’ve ever subscribed to. In the past year they’ve implemented changes on the site with complete disregard for their subscribers. These things were supposed to be “upgrades” but were nothing of the sort. We had large amounts of stored data literally erased overnight and never received so much as an apology. It was as if they intentionally plowed us down. Also, spread out over the past year, in total I bet two weeks of it the site was down. I would quit making videos before I would ever give Vimeo another penny.

    XR on the other hand is completely free, beautifully laid out and far more professional. Check it out.

  • FilmStar

    Vimeo has to be one of the most inconsiderate online companies I’ve ever subscribed to. In the past year they’ve implemented changes on the site with complete disregard for their subscribers. These things were supposed to be “upgrades” but were nothing of the sort. We had large amounts of stored data literally erased overnight and never received so much as an apology. It was as if they intentionally plowed us down. Also, spread out over the past year, in total I bet two weeks of it the site was down. I would quit making videos before I would ever give Vimeo another penny.

    XR on the other hand is completely free, beautifully laid out and far more professional. Check it out.

  • FilmStar

    Vimeo has to be one of the most inconsiderate online companies I’ve ever subscribed to. In the past year they’ve implemented changes on the site with complete disregard for their subscribers. These things were supposed to be “upgrades” but were nothing of the sort. We had large amounts of stored data literally erased overnight and never received so much as an apology. It was as if they intentionally plowed us down. Also, spread out over the past year, in total I bet two weeks of it the site was down. I would quit making videos before I would ever give Vimeo another penny.

    XR on the other hand is completely free, beautifully laid out and far more professional. Check it out.

  • FilmStar

    Vimeo has to be one of the most inconsiderate online companies I’ve ever subscribed to. In the past year they’ve implemented changes on the site with complete disregard for their subscribers. These things were supposed to be “upgrades” but were nothing of the sort. We had large amounts of stored data literally erased overnight and never received so much as an apology. It was as if they intentionally plowed us down. Also, spread out over the past year, in total I bet two weeks of it the site was down. I would quit making videos before I would ever give Vimeo another penny.

    XR on the other hand is completely free, beautifully laid out and far more professional. Check it out.

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com CD mikelis

    HI.

    I hesitate to pay Vimeo the “plus”. But after this article, I’ll think even further. I used free Vimeo till now, because it was far better than YouTube (before HD era). But now, I can see very little left on Vimeo side.

    By all upper examples,
    the clear winner is YOUTUBE!
    Second is VIMEO,
    third is FACEBOOK,
    forth is DAILYMOTION,

    YOUTUBE – best choice!
    Urestricted, unlimited, superior quality, most popular, widest audience! Same sharpnes/detail as Vimeo, but with out any blocking in picture. Ugly 2001 interface, but well known. Without question best choice and since I did not try it since HD era, I’ll do that for myself now, to compare my stuff. It is great to allow 1GB, but 10 minutes limit is pain for me, since most of my work is 12 min! Video processing for SD video was reasonably fast (last test in 2008).

    VIMEO – best looking, outstanding interface, fastest video loading.
    Only 3th place for video quality. It looks somehow sharper than all others, but when I put “printscreens” on top of each other in PhotoPaint it was clear that picture is not good at all. Heawy blocking is not present only on moving parts of video but also on still parts. Loosing a lot of details. Especialy grass and leaves, but also in all other parts of picture. It is funny how better is Youtube picture. Vimeo have also slowest video processing on planet. For SD movie (12min), it took 2 days (!!!) to process. Blocking could be not bitrate, but speed of encoding. In effort to cut down process time, they encode faster, not better. They claim PLUS would give way better encoding – but it is payable, and can’t be checked before. With 1GB limit per week it would be my best choice, since time isn’t limited. But 500MB is only for short clip testing and discussion with others about their camcorders, settings, tweaks, etc. I joined Vimeo mostly because of that.

    FACEBOOK – best choice for FB members, for shure.
    Quality level is somewhere on the 2nd place. Picture blocking level is between YouTube and Vimeo, but Vimeo is maybe more likable picture. So with that good quality, is perfect choice for FB users. Decent interface, but nothing more than that. I’ll try it, since I’m FB member too.

    DAILYMOTION – stupid interface, quality picture.
    Picture quality is compared to Vimeo by all aspect. Slow video loading, payback stops a lot. Realy stupid interface.

    SMUGMUG is not prepared to playback a thing! Since it is expensive, it is out of question. Their website is not atractive to me. I think I should join them, to see some work of others – I hate that. Vimeo and YouTube is free to anyone for watching (unless some video is marked as private).

    VIDDLER – where the heck quality went?
    There is nice color rendering, but quality is on vacation, I think. Not an option.
    As I see, Viddler is bad except good colors rendering. Worse than early 2001 youtube! I wouldn’t use it at all, since it have stupid interface, as well. Last option, to me (“no” option).

    CONLUSION – what should I use?????

    Money is no problem:
    VIMEO PLUS (I believe their claims about ther superior 2-pass encoding with no waiting line).

    I’m towing myself around for free – money is my big wish:
    1a) VIMEO FREE for short clips for your websites: like wedding examples (you can put a link to see in HD at Vimeo, and you for shure will not make more than ONE wedding per week – so it is ideal for that).
    2b) VIMEO FREE for long material, which must be in one peace, but quality is in second place (must fit in 500MB).
    2) FACEBOOK for all members, who have wish to share HD videos. (I thing FB galleries could be shared even for non-members audience, now). I will test this and use, if convenient.
    3) YOUTUBE – for broadcasting, for superior quality anf for a lot reasons.

    I thing all 3 options should be used. Since my work is 12 minutes typical I still hesitate to VIMEO plus, but if quality with plus membership will not exceed YouTube free one, I’ll require money back. For all under 10min material I’ll use all 3 of them.

    With best regards and 10x wery much for research.

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com/ CD mikelis

    HI.

    I hesitate to pay Vimeo the “plus”. But after this article, I’ll think even further. I used free Vimeo till now, because it was far better than YouTube (before HD era). But now, I can see very little left on Vimeo side.

    By all upper examples,
    the clear winner is YOUTUBE!
    Second is VIMEO,
    third is FACEBOOK,
    forth is DAILYMOTION,

    YOUTUBE – best choice!
    Urestricted, unlimited, superior quality, most popular, widest audience! Same sharpnes/detail as Vimeo, but with out any blocking in picture. Ugly 2001 interface, but well known. Without question best choice and since I did not try it since HD era, I’ll do that for myself now, to compare my stuff. It is great to allow 1GB, but 10 minutes limit is pain for me, since most of my work is 12 min! Video processing for SD video was reasonably fast (last test in 2008).

    VIMEO – best looking, outstanding interface, fastest video loading.
    Only 3th place for video quality. It looks somehow sharper than all others, but when I put “printscreens” on top of each other in PhotoPaint it was clear that picture is not good at all. Heawy blocking is not present only on moving parts of video but also on still parts. Loosing a lot of details. Especialy grass and leaves, but also in all other parts of picture. It is funny how better is Youtube picture. Vimeo have also slowest video processing on planet. For SD movie (12min), it took 2 days (!!!) to process. Blocking could be not bitrate, but speed of encoding. In effort to cut down process time, they encode faster, not better. They claim PLUS would give way better encoding – but it is payable, and can’t be checked before. With 1GB limit per week it would be my best choice, since time isn’t limited. But 500MB is only for short clip testing and discussion with others about their camcorders, settings, tweaks, etc. I joined Vimeo mostly because of that.

    FACEBOOK – best choice for FB members, for shure.
    Quality level is somewhere on the 2nd place. Picture blocking level is between YouTube and Vimeo, but Vimeo is maybe more likable picture. So with that good quality, is perfect choice for FB users. Decent interface, but nothing more than that. I’ll try it, since I’m FB member too.

    DAILYMOTION – stupid interface, quality picture.
    Picture quality is compared to Vimeo by all aspect. Slow video loading, payback stops a lot. Realy stupid interface.

    SMUGMUG is not prepared to playback a thing! Since it is expensive, it is out of question. Their website is not atractive to me. I think I should join them, to see some work of others – I hate that. Vimeo and YouTube is free to anyone for watching (unless some video is marked as private).

    VIDDLER – where the heck quality went?
    There is nice color rendering, but quality is on vacation, I think. Not an option.
    As I see, Viddler is bad except good colors rendering. Worse than early 2001 youtube! I wouldn’t use it at all, since it have stupid interface, as well. Last option, to me (“no” option).

    CONLUSION – what should I use?????

    Money is no problem:
    VIMEO PLUS (I believe their claims about ther superior 2-pass encoding with no waiting line).

    I’m towing myself around for free – money is my big wish:
    1a) VIMEO FREE for short clips for your websites: like wedding examples (you can put a link to see in HD at Vimeo, and you for shure will not make more than ONE wedding per week – so it is ideal for that).
    2b) VIMEO FREE for long material, which must be in one peace, but quality is in second place (must fit in 500MB).
    2) FACEBOOK for all members, who have wish to share HD videos. (I thing FB galleries could be shared even for non-members audience, now). I will test this and use, if convenient.
    3) YOUTUBE – for broadcasting, for superior quality anf for a lot reasons.

    I thing all 3 options should be used. Since my work is 12 minutes typical I still hesitate to VIMEO plus, but if quality with plus membership will not exceed YouTube free one, I’ll require money back. For all under 10min material I’ll use all 3 of them.

    With best regards and 10x wery much for research.

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com/ CD mikelis

    HI.

    I hesitate to pay Vimeo the “plus”. But after this article, I’ll think even further. I used free Vimeo till now, because it was far better than YouTube (before HD era). But now, I can see very little left on Vimeo side.

    By all upper examples,
    the clear winner is YOUTUBE!
    Second is VIMEO,
    third is FACEBOOK,
    forth is DAILYMOTION,

    YOUTUBE – best choice!
    Urestricted, unlimited, superior quality, most popular, widest audience! Same sharpnes/detail as Vimeo, but with out any blocking in picture. Ugly 2001 interface, but well known. Without question best choice and since I did not try it since HD era, I’ll do that for myself now, to compare my stuff. It is great to allow 1GB, but 10 minutes limit is pain for me, since most of my work is 12 min! Video processing for SD video was reasonably fast (last test in 2008).

    VIMEO – best looking, outstanding interface, fastest video loading.
    Only 3th place for video quality. It looks somehow sharper than all others, but when I put “printscreens” on top of each other in PhotoPaint it was clear that picture is not good at all. Heawy blocking is not present only on moving parts of video but also on still parts. Loosing a lot of details. Especialy grass and leaves, but also in all other parts of picture. It is funny how better is Youtube picture. Vimeo have also slowest video processing on planet. For SD movie (12min), it took 2 days (!!!) to process. Blocking could be not bitrate, but speed of encoding. In effort to cut down process time, they encode faster, not better. They claim PLUS would give way better encoding – but it is payable, and can’t be checked before. With 1GB limit per week it would be my best choice, since time isn’t limited. But 500MB is only for short clip testing and discussion with others about their camcorders, settings, tweaks, etc. I joined Vimeo mostly because of that.

    FACEBOOK – best choice for FB members, for shure.
    Quality level is somewhere on the 2nd place. Picture blocking level is between YouTube and Vimeo, but Vimeo is maybe more likable picture. So with that good quality, is perfect choice for FB users. Decent interface, but nothing more than that. I’ll try it, since I’m FB member too.

    DAILYMOTION – stupid interface, quality picture.
    Picture quality is compared to Vimeo by all aspect. Slow video loading, payback stops a lot. Realy stupid interface.

    SMUGMUG is not prepared to playback a thing! Since it is expensive, it is out of question. Their website is not atractive to me. I think I should join them, to see some work of others – I hate that. Vimeo and YouTube is free to anyone for watching (unless some video is marked as private).

    VIDDLER – where the heck quality went?
    There is nice color rendering, but quality is on vacation, I think. Not an option.
    As I see, Viddler is bad except good colors rendering. Worse than early 2001 youtube! I wouldn’t use it at all, since it have stupid interface, as well. Last option, to me (“no” option).

    CONLUSION – what should I use?????

    Money is no problem:
    VIMEO PLUS (I believe their claims about ther superior 2-pass encoding with no waiting line).

    I’m towing myself around for free – money is my big wish:
    1a) VIMEO FREE for short clips for your websites: like wedding examples (you can put a link to see in HD at Vimeo, and you for shure will not make more than ONE wedding per week – so it is ideal for that).
    2b) VIMEO FREE for long material, which must be in one peace, but quality is in second place (must fit in 500MB).
    2) FACEBOOK for all members, who have wish to share HD videos. (I thing FB galleries could be shared even for non-members audience, now). I will test this and use, if convenient.
    3) YOUTUBE – for broadcasting, for superior quality anf for a lot reasons.

    I thing all 3 options should be used. Since my work is 12 minutes typical I still hesitate to VIMEO plus, but if quality with plus membership will not exceed YouTube free one, I’ll require money back. For all under 10min material I’ll use all 3 of them.

    With best regards and 10x wery much for research.

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com/ CD mikelis

    HI.

    I hesitate to pay Vimeo the “plus”. But after this article, I’ll think even further. I used free Vimeo till now, because it was far better than YouTube (before HD era). But now, I can see very little left on Vimeo side.

    By all upper examples,
    the clear winner is YOUTUBE!
    Second is VIMEO,
    third is FACEBOOK,
    forth is DAILYMOTION,

    YOUTUBE – best choice!
    Urestricted, unlimited, superior quality, most popular, widest audience! Same sharpnes/detail as Vimeo, but with out any blocking in picture. Ugly 2001 interface, but well known. Without question best choice and since I did not try it since HD era, I’ll do that for myself now, to compare my stuff. It is great to allow 1GB, but 10 minutes limit is pain for me, since most of my work is 12 min! Video processing for SD video was reasonably fast (last test in 2008).

    VIMEO – best looking, outstanding interface, fastest video loading.
    Only 3th place for video quality. It looks somehow sharper than all others, but when I put “printscreens” on top of each other in PhotoPaint it was clear that picture is not good at all. Heawy blocking is not present only on moving parts of video but also on still parts. Loosing a lot of details. Especialy grass and leaves, but also in all other parts of picture. It is funny how better is Youtube picture. Vimeo have also slowest video processing on planet. For SD movie (12min), it took 2 days (!!!) to process. Blocking could be not bitrate, but speed of encoding. In effort to cut down process time, they encode faster, not better. They claim PLUS would give way better encoding – but it is payable, and can’t be checked before. With 1GB limit per week it would be my best choice, since time isn’t limited. But 500MB is only for short clip testing and discussion with others about their camcorders, settings, tweaks, etc. I joined Vimeo mostly because of that.

    FACEBOOK – best choice for FB members, for shure.
    Quality level is somewhere on the 2nd place. Picture blocking level is between YouTube and Vimeo, but Vimeo is maybe more likable picture. So with that good quality, is perfect choice for FB users. Decent interface, but nothing more than that. I’ll try it, since I’m FB member too.

    DAILYMOTION – stupid interface, quality picture.
    Picture quality is compared to Vimeo by all aspect. Slow video loading, payback stops a lot. Realy stupid interface.

    SMUGMUG is not prepared to playback a thing! Since it is expensive, it is out of question. Their website is not atractive to me. I think I should join them, to see some work of others – I hate that. Vimeo and YouTube is free to anyone for watching (unless some video is marked as private).

    VIDDLER – where the heck quality went?
    There is nice color rendering, but quality is on vacation, I think. Not an option.
    As I see, Viddler is bad except good colors rendering. Worse than early 2001 youtube! I wouldn’t use it at all, since it have stupid interface, as well. Last option, to me (“no” option).

    CONLUSION – what should I use?????

    Money is no problem:
    VIMEO PLUS (I believe their claims about ther superior 2-pass encoding with no waiting line).

    I’m towing myself around for free – money is my big wish:
    1a) VIMEO FREE for short clips for your websites: like wedding examples (you can put a link to see in HD at Vimeo, and you for shure will not make more than ONE wedding per week – so it is ideal for that).
    2b) VIMEO FREE for long material, which must be in one peace, but quality is in second place (must fit in 500MB).
    2) FACEBOOK for all members, who have wish to share HD videos. (I thing FB galleries could be shared even for non-members audience, now). I will test this and use, if convenient.
    3) YOUTUBE – for broadcasting, for superior quality anf for a lot reasons.

    I thing all 3 options should be used. Since my work is 12 minutes typical I still hesitate to VIMEO plus, but if quality with plus membership will not exceed YouTube free one, I’ll require money back. For all under 10min material I’ll use all 3 of them.

    With best regards and 10x wery much for research.

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com CD mikelis

    HI.

    I hesitate to pay Vimeo the “plus”. But after this article, I’ll think even further. I used free Vimeo till now, because it was far better than YouTube (before HD era). But now, I can see very little left on Vimeo side.

    By all upper examples,
    the clear winner is YOUTUBE!
    Second is VIMEO,
    third is FACEBOOK,
    forth is DAILYMOTION,

    YOUTUBE – best choice!
    Urestricted, unlimited, superior quality, most popular, widest audience! Same sharpnes/detail as Vimeo, but with out any blocking in picture. Ugly 2001 interface, but well known. Without question best choice and since I did not try it since HD era, I’ll do that for myself now, to compare my stuff. It is great to allow 1GB, but 10 minutes limit is pain for me, since most of my work is 12 min! Video processing for SD video was reasonably fast (last test in 2008).

    VIMEO – best looking, outstanding interface, fastest video loading.
    Only 3th place for video quality. It looks somehow sharper than all others, but when I put “printscreens” on top of each other in PhotoPaint it was clear that picture is not good at all. Heawy blocking is not present only on moving parts of video but also on still parts. Loosing a lot of details. Especialy grass and leaves, but also in all other parts of picture. It is funny how better is Youtube picture. Vimeo have also slowest video processing on planet. For SD movie (12min), it took 2 days (!!!) to process. Blocking could be not bitrate, but speed of encoding. In effort to cut down process time, they encode faster, not better. They claim PLUS would give way better encoding – but it is payable, and can’t be checked before. With 1GB limit per week it would be my best choice, since time isn’t limited. But 500MB is only for short clip testing and discussion with others about their camcorders, settings, tweaks, etc. I joined Vimeo mostly because of that.

    FACEBOOK – best choice for FB members, for shure.
    Quality level is somewhere on the 2nd place. Picture blocking level is between YouTube and Vimeo, but Vimeo is maybe more likable picture. So with that good quality, is perfect choice for FB users. Decent interface, but nothing more than that. I’ll try it, since I’m FB member too.

    DAILYMOTION – stupid interface, quality picture.
    Picture quality is compared to Vimeo by all aspect. Slow video loading, payback stops a lot. Realy stupid interface.

    SMUGMUG is not prepared to playback a thing! Since it is expensive, it is out of question. Their website is not atractive to me. I think I should join them, to see some work of others – I hate that. Vimeo and YouTube is free to anyone for watching (unless some video is marked as private).

    VIDDLER – where the heck quality went?
    There is nice color rendering, but quality is on vacation, I think. Not an option.
    As I see, Viddler is bad except good colors rendering. Worse than early 2001 youtube! I wouldn’t use it at all, since it have stupid interface, as well. Last option, to me (“no” option).

    CONLUSION – what should I use?????

    Money is no problem:
    VIMEO PLUS (I believe their claims about ther superior 2-pass encoding with no waiting line).

    I’m towing myself around for free – money is my big wish:
    1a) VIMEO FREE for short clips for your websites: like wedding examples (you can put a link to see in HD at Vimeo, and you for shure will not make more than ONE wedding per week – so it is ideal for that).
    2b) VIMEO FREE for long material, which must be in one peace, but quality is in second place (must fit in 500MB).
    2) FACEBOOK for all members, who have wish to share HD videos. (I thing FB galleries could be shared even for non-members audience, now). I will test this and use, if convenient.
    3) YOUTUBE – for broadcasting, for superior quality anf for a lot reasons.

    I thing all 3 options should be used. Since my work is 12 minutes typical I still hesitate to VIMEO plus, but if quality with plus membership will not exceed YouTube free one, I’ll require money back. For all under 10min material I’ll use all 3 of them.

    With best regards and 10x wery much for research.

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com CD mikelis

    (this line is just remark to editior: please fix some spell check if you want in upper post).

    Addition to upper post:

    I also look at VideoPress. Their welcome and introducing video exceeds any competition on this test. It is superior to all. They accept all frame rate and it is free with no time limit, no week upload limit, but for 3GB total. Ideal for having one big great video, or a lot of small.
    But it can be upgraded to 5, 15 and 25 GB total space, by 5, 14 and 25 US cents per day (what is $18,25, $51,1 and $91,25 per year). Costly or not, but quality is superior. It video loads super fast as well, faster then any of upper competitors.

    But rather all interface and navigation, other than (ugly) YouTube, have some unpleasant nature: you must wait video to load completely if you want to navigate through it. Or another way: you can navigate only through that part which is already loaded. On Youtube I can go directly on some part of video and player starts to buffer at that point on. Realy usefull and great feature, (maybe) only to youtube.

    Best regards, Mihael Tominšek

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com/ CD mikelis

    (this line is just remark to editior: please fix some spell check if you want in upper post).

    Addition to upper post:

    I also look at VideoPress. Their welcome and introducing video exceeds any competition on this test. It is superior to all. They accept all frame rate and it is free with no time limit, no week upload limit, but for 3GB total. Ideal for having one big great video, or a lot of small.
    But it can be upgraded to 5, 15 and 25 GB total space, by 5, 14 and 25 US cents per day (what is $18,25, $51,1 and $91,25 per year). Costly or not, but quality is superior. It video loads super fast as well, faster then any of upper competitors.

    But rather all interface and navigation, other than (ugly) YouTube, have some unpleasant nature: you must wait video to load completely if you want to navigate through it. Or another way: you can navigate only through that part which is already loaded. On Youtube I can go directly on some part of video and player starts to buffer at that point on. Realy usefull and great feature, (maybe) only to youtube.

    Best regards, Mihael Tominšek

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com/ CD mikelis

    (this line is just remark to editior: please fix some spell check if you want in upper post).

    Addition to upper post:

    I also look at VideoPress. Their welcome and introducing video exceeds any competition on this test. It is superior to all. They accept all frame rate and it is free with no time limit, no week upload limit, but for 3GB total. Ideal for having one big great video, or a lot of small.
    But it can be upgraded to 5, 15 and 25 GB total space, by 5, 14 and 25 US cents per day (what is $18,25, $51,1 and $91,25 per year). Costly or not, but quality is superior. It video loads super fast as well, faster then any of upper competitors.

    But rather all interface and navigation, other than (ugly) YouTube, have some unpleasant nature: you must wait video to load completely if you want to navigate through it. Or another way: you can navigate only through that part which is already loaded. On Youtube I can go directly on some part of video and player starts to buffer at that point on. Realy usefull and great feature, (maybe) only to youtube.

    Best regards, Mihael Tominšek

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com/ CD mikelis

    (this line is just remark to editior: please fix some spell check if you want in upper post).

    Addition to upper post:

    I also look at VideoPress. Their welcome and introducing video exceeds any competition on this test. It is superior to all. They accept all frame rate and it is free with no time limit, no week upload limit, but for 3GB total. Ideal for having one big great video, or a lot of small.
    But it can be upgraded to 5, 15 and 25 GB total space, by 5, 14 and 25 US cents per day (what is $18,25, $51,1 and $91,25 per year). Costly or not, but quality is superior. It video loads super fast as well, faster then any of upper competitors.

    But rather all interface and navigation, other than (ugly) YouTube, have some unpleasant nature: you must wait video to load completely if you want to navigate through it. Or another way: you can navigate only through that part which is already loaded. On Youtube I can go directly on some part of video and player starts to buffer at that point on. Realy usefull and great feature, (maybe) only to youtube.

    Best regards, Mihael Tominšek

  • http://www.cdmikelis.com CD mikelis

    (this line is just remark to editior: please fix some spell check if you want in upper post).

    Addition to upper post:

    I also look at VideoPress. Their welcome and introducing video exceeds any competition on this test. It is superior to all. They accept all frame rate and it is free with no time limit, no week upload limit, but for 3GB total. Ideal for having one big great video, or a lot of small.
    But it can be upgraded to 5, 15 and 25 GB total space, by 5, 14 and 25 US cents per day (what is $18,25, $51,1 and $91,25 per year). Costly or not, but quality is superior. It video loads super fast as well, faster then any of upper competitors.

    But rather all interface and navigation, other than (ugly) YouTube, have some unpleasant nature: you must wait video to load completely if you want to navigate through it. Or another way: you can navigate only through that part which is already loaded. On Youtube I can go directly on some part of video and player starts to buffer at that point on. Realy usefull and great feature, (maybe) only to youtube.

    Best regards, Mihael Tominšek

  • http://vzaar.com vzaar Jamie

    I absolutely agree that it all boils down to needs. What is it that you are trying to achieve or learn from your videos? That’s why our service is designed for businesses in mind.

    Although I appreciate this article is around 6 months old (an eternity in the OV space!), it and the comments left raise some interesting points.

    YouTube is great for traffic but no strong when it comes to credibility. More and more businesses that want to stream video professionally seem to be rejecting the YouTube logo and the connotations that come with it. Hence the move to suppliers (like vzaar, fliqz, brightcove) that can offer unbranded players. It makes sense if you are paying for a service to sit inside your website that you don’t necessarily want to carry someone else’s brand.

    Secondly, with the use of OV growing the commercial versus non commercial debate rises and we’ve seen this in respect to Vimeo. Great service – I agree with much of your review – but their policies on what constitutes commercial content is grey to say the least. As a result a number of businesses that have streamed video with Vimeo are now starting to see their videos removed. It’s not the greatest user experience for client or customer/viewer. We’d urge you to review the policies of the site. There are services, like vzaar, designed for businesses. If anything we try our best to avoid the consumer content. It’s not frankly part of our model.

    The encoding times argument is one that should rapidly improve but at the same time I think users need to be patient. The technology is there but the demand (ie volume of uploads) is always going to be a factor. The onus at the moment I think is on the services to accurately message their users around the point of upload and encode so that fair expectations are set.

    Lastly, I’d add that video duration is also a key factor and that many sites have limits that will always restrict users to some extent. Be sure to check out those that offer unlimited video duration. Consumers are now very comfortable with viewing pieces over 10 mins long.

    http://vzaar.com

    Jamie

  • http://vzaar.com/ vzaar Jamie

    I absolutely agree that it all boils down to needs. What is it that you are trying to achieve or learn from your videos? That’s why our service is designed for businesses in mind.

    Although I appreciate this article is around 6 months old (an eternity in the OV space!), it and the comments left raise some interesting points.

    YouTube is great for traffic but no strong when it comes to credibility. More and more businesses that want to stream video professionally seem to be rejecting the YouTube logo and the connotations that come with it. Hence the move to suppliers (like vzaar, fliqz, brightcove) that can offer unbranded players. It makes sense if you are paying for a service to sit inside your website that you don’t necessarily want to carry someone else’s brand.

    Secondly, with the use of OV growing the commercial versus non commercial debate rises and we’ve seen this in respect to Vimeo. Great service – I agree with much of your review – but their policies on what constitutes commercial content is grey to say the least. As a result a number of businesses that have streamed video with Vimeo are now starting to see their videos removed. It’s not the greatest user experience for client or customer/viewer. We’d urge you to review the policies of the site. There are services, like vzaar, designed for businesses. If anything we try our best to avoid the consumer content. It’s not frankly part of our model.

    The encoding times argument is one that should rapidly improve but at the same time I think users need to be patient. The technology is there but the demand (ie volume of uploads) is always going to be a factor. The onus at the moment I think is on the services to accurately message their users around the point of upload and encode so that fair expectations are set.

    Lastly, I’d add that video duration is also a key factor and that many sites have limits that will always restrict users to some extent. Be sure to check out those that offer unlimited video duration. Consumers are now very comfortable with viewing pieces over 10 mins long.

    http://vzaar.com

    Jamie

  • http://vzaar.com/ vzaar Jamie

    I absolutely agree that it all boils down to needs. What is it that you are trying to achieve or learn from your videos? That’s why our service is designed for businesses in mind.

    Although I appreciate this article is around 6 months old (an eternity in the OV space!), it and the comments left raise some interesting points.

    YouTube is great for traffic but no strong when it comes to credibility. More and more businesses that want to stream video professionally seem to be rejecting the YouTube logo and the connotations that come with it. Hence the move to suppliers (like vzaar, fliqz, brightcove) that can offer unbranded players. It makes sense if you are paying for a service to sit inside your website that you don’t necessarily want to carry someone else’s brand.

    Secondly, with the use of OV growing the commercial versus non commercial debate rises and we’ve seen this in respect to Vimeo. Great service – I agree with much of your review – but their policies on what constitutes commercial content is grey to say the least. As a result a number of businesses that have streamed video with Vimeo are now starting to see their videos removed. It’s not the greatest user experience for client or customer/viewer. We’d urge you to review the policies of the site. There are services, like vzaar, designed for businesses. If anything we try our best to avoid the consumer content. It’s not frankly part of our model.

    The encoding times argument is one that should rapidly improve but at the same time I think users need to be patient. The technology is there but the demand (ie volume of uploads) is always going to be a factor. The onus at the moment I think is on the services to accurately message their users around the point of upload and encode so that fair expectations are set.

    Lastly, I’d add that video duration is also a key factor and that many sites have limits that will always restrict users to some extent. Be sure to check out those that offer unlimited video duration. Consumers are now very comfortable with viewing pieces over 10 mins long.

    http://vzaar.com

    Jamie

  • http://vzaar.com/ vzaar Jamie

    I absolutely agree that it all boils down to needs. What is it that you are trying to achieve or learn from your videos? That’s why our service is designed for businesses in mind.

    Although I appreciate this article is around 6 months old (an eternity in the OV space!), it and the comments left raise some interesting points.

    YouTube is great for traffic but no strong when it comes to credibility. More and more businesses that want to stream video professionally seem to be rejecting the YouTube logo and the connotations that come with it. Hence the move to suppliers (like vzaar, fliqz, brightcove) that can offer unbranded players. It makes sense if you are paying for a service to sit inside your website that you don’t necessarily want to carry someone else’s brand.

    Secondly, with the use of OV growing the commercial versus non commercial debate rises and we’ve seen this in respect to Vimeo. Great service – I agree with much of your review – but their policies on what constitutes commercial content is grey to say the least. As a result a number of businesses that have streamed video with Vimeo are now starting to see their videos removed. It’s not the greatest user experience for client or customer/viewer. We’d urge you to review the policies of the site. There are services, like vzaar, designed for businesses. If anything we try our best to avoid the consumer content. It’s not frankly part of our model.

    The encoding times argument is one that should rapidly improve but at the same time I think users need to be patient. The technology is there but the demand (ie volume of uploads) is always going to be a factor. The onus at the moment I think is on the services to accurately message their users around the point of upload and encode so that fair expectations are set.

    Lastly, I’d add that video duration is also a key factor and that many sites have limits that will always restrict users to some extent. Be sure to check out those that offer unlimited video duration. Consumers are now very comfortable with viewing pieces over 10 mins long.

    http://vzaar.com

    Jamie

  • http://vzaar.com vzaar Jamie

    I absolutely agree that it all boils down to needs. What is it that you are trying to achieve or learn from your videos? That’s why our service is designed for businesses in mind.

    Although I appreciate this article is around 6 months old (an eternity in the OV space!), it and the comments left raise some interesting points.

    YouTube is great for traffic but no strong when it comes to credibility. More and more businesses that want to stream video professionally seem to be rejecting the YouTube logo and the connotations that come with it. Hence the move to suppliers (like vzaar, fliqz, brightcove) that can offer unbranded players. It makes sense if you are paying for a service to sit inside your website that you don’t necessarily want to carry someone else’s brand.

    Secondly, with the use of OV growing the commercial versus non commercial debate rises and we’ve seen this in respect to Vimeo. Great service – I agree with much of your review – but their policies on what constitutes commercial content is grey to say the least. As a result a number of businesses that have streamed video with Vimeo are now starting to see their videos removed. It’s not the greatest user experience for client or customer/viewer. We’d urge you to review the policies of the site. There are services, like vzaar, designed for businesses. If anything we try our best to avoid the consumer content. It’s not frankly part of our model.

    The encoding times argument is one that should rapidly improve but at the same time I think users need to be patient. The technology is there but the demand (ie volume of uploads) is always going to be a factor. The onus at the moment I think is on the services to accurately message their users around the point of upload and encode so that fair expectations are set.

    Lastly, I’d add that video duration is also a key factor and that many sites have limits that will always restrict users to some extent. Be sure to check out those that offer unlimited video duration. Consumers are now very comfortable with viewing pieces over 10 mins long.

    http://vzaar.com

    Jamie

  • Serge

    No doubt useful discussion – many thanks for initiating it and providing valuable research.

    Though, what interesting is that other viable options are completely omitted from consideration. For example, why not to use services like Amazon S3?
    http://aws.amazon.com/s3/

    The cost of doing this is incredibly small. Perhaps you are aware of the fact that Smugmug, for example, keep all your stuff (video included) on Amazon S3 :)

    There are plenty of non-branded video players out there – open source and not. So, why to pay from $50/month to $500/months for “hosting” where you can keep your stuff for the fraction of this? If you have a Web site, it makes perfect sense to use your own player and something like S3.

    Obviously, youtube or vimeo or whatever provide additional services that go beyond video hosting. But then let’s be clear what we are talking about.

  • Serge

    No doubt useful discussion – many thanks for initiating it and providing valuable research.

    Though, what interesting is that other viable options are completely omitted from consideration. For example, why not to use services like Amazon S3?
    http://aws.amazon.com/s3/

    The cost of doing this is incredibly small. Perhaps you are aware of the fact that Smugmug, for example, keep all your stuff (video included) on Amazon S3 :)

    There are plenty of non-branded video players out there – open source and not. So, why to pay from $50/month to $500/months for “hosting” where you can keep your stuff for the fraction of this? If you have a Web site, it makes perfect sense to use your own player and something like S3.

    Obviously, youtube or vimeo or whatever provide additional services that go beyond video hosting. But then let’s be clear what we are talking about.

  • Serge

    No doubt useful discussion – many thanks for initiating it and providing valuable research.

    Though, what interesting is that other viable options are completely omitted from consideration. For example, why not to use services like Amazon S3?
    http://aws.amazon.com/s3/

    The cost of doing this is incredibly small. Perhaps you are aware of the fact that Smugmug, for example, keep all your stuff (video included) on Amazon S3 :)

    There are plenty of non-branded video players out there – open source and not. So, why to pay from $50/month to $500/months for “hosting” where you can keep your stuff for the fraction of this? If you have a Web site, it makes perfect sense to use your own player and something like S3.

    Obviously, youtube or vimeo or whatever provide additional services that go beyond video hosting. But then let’s be clear what we are talking about.

  • Serge

    No doubt useful discussion – many thanks for initiating it and providing valuable research.

    Though, what interesting is that other viable options are completely omitted from consideration. For example, why not to use services like Amazon S3?
    http://aws.amazon.com/s3/

    The cost of doing this is incredibly small. Perhaps you are aware of the fact that Smugmug, for example, keep all your stuff (video included) on Amazon S3 :)

    There are plenty of non-branded video players out there – open source and not. So, why to pay from $50/month to $500/months for “hosting” where you can keep your stuff for the fraction of this? If you have a Web site, it makes perfect sense to use your own player and something like S3.

    Obviously, youtube or vimeo or whatever provide additional services that go beyond video hosting. But then let’s be clear what we are talking about.

  • Serge

    No doubt useful discussion – many thanks for initiating it and providing valuable research.

    Though, what interesting is that other viable options are completely omitted from consideration. For example, why not to use services like Amazon S3?
    http://aws.amazon.com/s3/

    The cost of doing this is incredibly small. Perhaps you are aware of the fact that Smugmug, for example, keep all your stuff (video included) on Amazon S3 :)

    There are plenty of non-branded video players out there – open source and not. So, why to pay from $50/month to $500/months for “hosting” where you can keep your stuff for the fraction of this? If you have a Web site, it makes perfect sense to use your own player and something like S3.

    Obviously, youtube or vimeo or whatever provide additional services that go beyond video hosting. But then let’s be clear what we are talking about.

  • Josh Stevens

    YouTube is my favourite, 25 fps HD plays well when they convert it right. Unfortunately their upload converter has been broken for the last month or so, they are converting my 720p25 to 29.97 fps and that looks jerky and horrible. The problem is documented on their forums but there’s no sign of any fix forthcoming. The number of other issues on there makes me lose faith in them, to be honest.

    Vimeo converts well, keeping the 25 frame rate, but for some reason the videos still look jerky in the flash player on the webpage. If the mp4 is found in the brower cache, it plays perfectly in a media player like VLC – so why can’t it play well on the webpage?!

    Things were going so well, but now I’ve got no way to share smooth playing video that I’ve got any confidence in. It’s a waiting game for me now, hoping that YouTube will pay some attention to their bugs :(

  • Josh Stevens

    YouTube is my favourite, 25 fps HD plays well when they convert it right. Unfortunately their upload converter has been broken for the last month or so, they are converting my 720p25 to 29.97 fps and that looks jerky and horrible. The problem is documented on their forums but there’s no sign of any fix forthcoming. The number of other issues on there makes me lose faith in them, to be honest.

    Vimeo converts well, keeping the 25 frame rate, but for some reason the videos still look jerky in the flash player on the webpage. If the mp4 is found in the brower cache, it plays perfectly in a media player like VLC – so why can’t it play well on the webpage?!

    Things were going so well, but now I’ve got no way to share smooth playing video that I’ve got any confidence in. It’s a waiting game for me now, hoping that YouTube will pay some attention to their bugs :(

  • Josh Stevens

    YouTube is my favourite, 25 fps HD plays well when they convert it right. Unfortunately their upload converter has been broken for the last month or so, they are converting my 720p25 to 29.97 fps and that looks jerky and horrible. The problem is documented on their forums but there’s no sign of any fix forthcoming. The number of other issues on there makes me lose faith in them, to be honest.

    Vimeo converts well, keeping the 25 frame rate, but for some reason the videos still look jerky in the flash player on the webpage. If the mp4 is found in the brower cache, it plays perfectly in a media player like VLC – so why can’t it play well on the webpage?!

    Things were going so well, but now I’ve got no way to share smooth playing video that I’ve got any confidence in. It’s a waiting game for me now, hoping that YouTube will pay some attention to their bugs :(

  • Josh Stevens

    YouTube is my favourite, 25 fps HD plays well when they convert it right. Unfortunately their upload converter has been broken for the last month or so, they are converting my 720p25 to 29.97 fps and that looks jerky and horrible. The problem is documented on their forums but there’s no sign of any fix forthcoming. The number of other issues on there makes me lose faith in them, to be honest.

    Vimeo converts well, keeping the 25 frame rate, but for some reason the videos still look jerky in the flash player on the webpage. If the mp4 is found in the brower cache, it plays perfectly in a media player like VLC – so why can’t it play well on the webpage?!

    Things were going so well, but now I’ve got no way to share smooth playing video that I’ve got any confidence in. It’s a waiting game for me now, hoping that YouTube will pay some attention to their bugs :(

  • Josh Stevens

    YouTube is my favourite, 25 fps HD plays well when they convert it right. Unfortunately their upload converter has been broken for the last month or so, they are converting my 720p25 to 29.97 fps and that looks jerky and horrible. The problem is documented on their forums but there’s no sign of any fix forthcoming. The number of other issues on there makes me lose faith in them, to be honest.

    Vimeo converts well, keeping the 25 frame rate, but for some reason the videos still look jerky in the flash player on the webpage. If the mp4 is found in the brower cache, it plays perfectly in a media player like VLC – so why can’t it play well on the webpage?!

    Things were going so well, but now I’ve got no way to share smooth playing video that I’ve got any confidence in. It’s a waiting game for me now, hoping that YouTube will pay some attention to their bugs :(

  • Josh Stevens

    YouTube is my favourite, 25 fps HD plays well when they convert it right. Unfortunately their upload converter has been broken for the last month or so, they are converting my 720p25 to 29.97 fps and that looks jerky and horrible. The problem is documented on their forums but there’s no sign of any fix forthcoming. The number of other issues on there makes me lose faith in them, to be honest.

    Vimeo converts well, keeping the 25 frame rate, but for some reason the videos still look jerky in the flash player on the webpage. If the mp4 is found in the brower cache, it plays perfectly in a media player like VLC – so why can’t it play well on the webpage?!

    Things were going so well, but now I’ve got no way to share smooth playing video that I’ve got any confidence in. It’s a waiting game for me now, hoping that YouTube will pay some attention to their bugs :(

  • http://www.starkinsider.com Mike Carrall

    Is an industry shakeout coming?

    I just read on Mashable that Veoh, “at one point a quick growing rival to YouTube” (although is that ever possible?) has filed for bakruptcy.

    http://mashable.com/2010/02/11/veoh-bankruptcy/

  • http://www.starkinsider.com/ Mike Carrall

    Is an industry shakeout coming?

    I just read on Mashable that Veoh, “at one point a quick growing rival to YouTube” (although is that ever possible?) has filed for bakruptcy.

    http://mashable.com/2010/02/11/veoh-bankruptcy/

  • http://www.starksilvercreek.com Mike Carrall

    Is an industry shakeout coming?

    I just read on Mashable that Veoh, “at one point a quick growing rival to YouTube” (although is that ever possible?) has filed for bakruptcy.

    http://mashable.com/2010/02/11/veoh-bankruptcy/

  • http://www.starksilvercreek.com/ Mike Carrall

    Is an industry shakeout coming?

    I just read on Mashable that Veoh, “at one point a quick growing rival to YouTube” (although is that ever possible?) has filed for bakruptcy.

    http://mashable.com/2010/02/11/veoh-bankruptcy/

  • http://www.starkinsider.com/ Mike Carrall

    Is an industry shakeout coming?

    I just read on Mashable that Veoh, “at one point a quick growing rival to YouTube” (although is that ever possible?) has filed for bakruptcy.

    http://mashable.com/2010/02/11/veoh-bankruptcy/

  • http://www.starkinsider.com Mike Carrall

    Is an industry shakeout coming?

    I just read on Mashable that Veoh, “at one point a quick growing rival to YouTube” (although is that ever possible?) has filed for bakruptcy.

    http://mashable.com/2010/02/11/veoh-bankruptcy/

  • http://www.roadlogic.ca Graham Zeisner

    Although not in the same category (i.e. 720p etc) I think that applications like Qik are perfect for simple video clips on blogs. I’ve been using it with the Iphone and it works perfectly.

  • http://www.roadlogic.ca/ Graham Zeisner

    Although not in the same category (i.e. 720p etc) I think that applications like Qik are perfect for simple video clips on blogs. I’ve been using it with the Iphone and it works perfectly.

  • http://www.roadlogic.ca Graham Zeisner

    Although not in the same category (i.e. 720p etc) I think that applications like Qik are perfect for simple video clips on blogs. I’ve been using it with the Iphone and it works perfectly.

  • http://www.roadlogic.ca/ Graham Zeisner

    Although not in the same category (i.e. 720p etc) I think that applications like Qik are perfect for simple video clips on blogs. I’ve been using it with the Iphone and it works perfectly.

  • http://www.roadlogic.ca/ Graham Zeisner

    Although not in the same category (i.e. 720p etc) I think that applications like Qik are perfect for simple video clips on blogs. I’ve been using it with the Iphone and it works perfectly.

  • http://www.roadlogic.ca Graham Zeisner

    Although not in the same category (i.e. 720p etc) I think that applications like Qik are perfect for simple video clips on blogs. I’ve been using it with the Iphone and it works perfectly.

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  • Robert

    This is such a great article. I am new to video and want to post some both my blog and on my website – both are WordPress.

    As I look for Video hosts to use, I beleive I like Vimeo, YouTube, and Facebook in that order, however, I have a few tech questions:

    1. If you host several videos on free sites like YouTube or Vimeo and then use the embed code to place them into your website, will your videos be deleted after a few months – leaving black holes in your site – or do they remain stored indefinately?

    2. H.264 seems to be universally cited as the ideal format/codec for quality video, but I read something recently about flash movies being the ideal way to put video on websites. Isn’t it better to convert the AVI output from your video camera into FLV (flash) if you are using video in a website – or is FLV only better if you are going to have an unbranded player that you own, and self host your videos on your webhosts server where your site is hosted – in my case Bluehost and GoDaddy?

    3. When a video hosting site allows say, 1Gb of storage as so many seem to offer – is that for “each” video, or the total storage space allowed for “all the videos you will ever upload” for use on your website?

    Many thanks, to anyone who can enlighten me!

  • Robert

    This is such a great article. I am new to video and want to post some both my blog and on my website – both are WordPress.

    As I look for Video hosts to use, I beleive I like Vimeo, YouTube, and Facebook in that order, however, I have a few tech questions:

    1. If you host several videos on free sites like YouTube or Vimeo and then use the embed code to place them into your website, will your videos be deleted after a few months – leaving black holes in your site – or do they remain stored indefinately?

    2. H.264 seems to be universally cited as the ideal format/codec for quality video, but I read something recently about flash movies being the ideal way to put video on websites. Isn’t it better to convert the AVI output from your video camera into FLV (flash) if you are using video in a website – or is FLV only better if you are going to have an unbranded player that you own, and self host your videos on your webhosts server where your site is hosted – in my case Bluehost and GoDaddy?

    3. When a video hosting site allows say, 1Gb of storage as so many seem to offer – is that for “each” video, or the total storage space allowed for “all the videos you will ever upload” for use on your website?

    Many thanks, to anyone who can enlighten me!

  • Robert

    This is such a great article. I am new to video and want to post some both my blog and on my website – both are WordPress.

    As I look for Video hosts to use, I beleive I like Vimeo, YouTube, and Facebook in that order, however, I have a few tech questions:

    1. If you host several videos on free sites like YouTube or Vimeo and then use the embed code to place them into your website, will your videos be deleted after a few months – leaving black holes in your site – or do they remain stored indefinately?

    2. H.264 seems to be universally cited as the ideal format/codec for quality video, but I read something recently about flash movies being the ideal way to put video on websites. Isn’t it better to convert the AVI output from your video camera into FLV (flash) if you are using video in a website – or is FLV only better if you are going to have an unbranded player that you own, and self host your videos on your webhosts server where your site is hosted – in my case Bluehost and GoDaddy?

    3. When a video hosting site allows say, 1Gb of storage as so many seem to offer – is that for “each” video, or the total storage space allowed for “all the videos you will ever upload” for use on your website?

    Many thanks, to anyone who can enlighten me!

  • Robert

    This is such a great article. I am new to video and want to post some both my blog and on my website – both are WordPress.

    As I look for Video hosts to use, I beleive I like Vimeo, YouTube, and Facebook in that order, however, I have a few tech questions:

    1. If you host several videos on free sites like YouTube or Vimeo and then use the embed code to place them into your website, will your videos be deleted after a few months – leaving black holes in your site – or do they remain stored indefinately?

    2. H.264 seems to be universally cited as the ideal format/codec for quality video, but I read something recently about flash movies being the ideal way to put video on websites. Isn’t it better to convert the AVI output from your video camera into FLV (flash) if you are using video in a website – or is FLV only better if you are going to have an unbranded player that you own, and self host your videos on your webhosts server where your site is hosted – in my case Bluehost and GoDaddy?

    3. When a video hosting site allows say, 1Gb of storage as so many seem to offer – is that for “each” video, or the total storage space allowed for “all the videos you will ever upload” for use on your website?

    Many thanks, to anyone who can enlighten me!

  • Robert

    This is such a great article. I am new to video and want to post some both my blog and on my website – both are WordPress.

    As I look for Video hosts to use, I beleive I like Vimeo, YouTube, and Facebook in that order, however, I have a few tech questions:

    1. If you host several videos on free sites like YouTube or Vimeo and then use the embed code to place them into your website, will your videos be deleted after a few months – leaving black holes in your site – or do they remain stored indefinately?

    2. H.264 seems to be universally cited as the ideal format/codec for quality video, but I read something recently about flash movies being the ideal way to put video on websites. Isn’t it better to convert the AVI output from your video camera into FLV (flash) if you are using video in a website – or is FLV only better if you are going to have an unbranded player that you own, and self host your videos on your webhosts server where your site is hosted – in my case Bluehost and GoDaddy?

    3. When a video hosting site allows say, 1Gb of storage as so many seem to offer – is that for “each” video, or the total storage space allowed for “all the videos you will ever upload” for use on your website?

    Many thanks, to anyone who can enlighten me!

  • Robert

    This is such a great article. I am new to video and want to post some both my blog and on my website – both are WordPress.

    As I look for Video hosts to use, I beleive I like Vimeo, YouTube, and Facebook in that order, however, I have a few tech questions:

    1. If you host several videos on free sites like YouTube or Vimeo and then use the embed code to place them into your website, will your videos be deleted after a few months – leaving black holes in your site – or do they remain stored indefinately?

    2. H.264 seems to be universally cited as the ideal format/codec for quality video, but I read something recently about flash movies being the ideal way to put video on websites. Isn’t it better to convert the AVI output from your video camera into FLV (flash) if you are using video in a website – or is FLV only better if you are going to have an unbranded player that you own, and self host your videos on your webhosts server where your site is hosted – in my case Bluehost and GoDaddy?

    3. When a video hosting site allows say, 1Gb of storage as so many seem to offer – is that for “each” video, or the total storage space allowed for “all the videos you will ever upload” for use on your website?

    Many thanks, to anyone who can enlighten me!

  • http://www.fischerholm.dk Peerholm

    I am a member of Aarhus Video Club in Denmark and make film as a hobby.
    I have my film on Vimeo, YouTube and Daylimotion, most of them in good HD quality.
    On my homepage fischerholm.dk/peersfilm.htm I show all my film with a link to the site having the best quality. At the moment it is Vimeo. If it changes, I can easily change it.
    All my friends and family know this, and look the page to see if I have new film.

  • http://www.fischerholm.dk/ Peerholm

    I am a member of Aarhus Video Club in Denmark and make film as a hobby.
    I have my film on Vimeo, YouTube and Daylimotion, most of them in good HD quality.
    On my homepage fischerholm.dk/peersfilm.htm I show all my film with a link to the site having the best quality. At the moment it is Vimeo. If it changes, I can easily change it.
    All my friends and family know this, and look the page to see if I have new film.

  • http://www.fischerholm.dk Peerholm

    I am a member of Aarhus Video Club in Denmark and make film as a hobby.
    I have my film on Vimeo, YouTube and Daylimotion, most of them in good HD quality.
    On my homepage fischerholm.dk/peersfilm.htm I show all my film with a link to the site having the best quality. At the moment it is Vimeo. If it changes, I can easily change it.
    All my friends and family know this, and look the page to see if I have new film.

  • http://www.fischerholm.dk/ Peerholm

    I am a member of Aarhus Video Club in Denmark and make film as a hobby.
    I have my film on Vimeo, YouTube and Daylimotion, most of them in good HD quality.
    On my homepage fischerholm.dk/peersfilm.htm I show all my film with a link to the site having the best quality. At the moment it is Vimeo. If it changes, I can easily change it.
    All my friends and family know this, and look the page to see if I have new film.

  • http://www.fischerholm.dk/ Peerholm

    I am a member of Aarhus Video Club in Denmark and make film as a hobby.
    I have my film on Vimeo, YouTube and Daylimotion, most of them in good HD quality.
    On my homepage fischerholm.dk/peersfilm.htm I show all my film with a link to the site having the best quality. At the moment it is Vimeo. If it changes, I can easily change it.
    All my friends and family know this, and look the page to see if I have new film.

  • http://www.fischerholm.dk Peerholm

    I am a member of Aarhus Video Club in Denmark and make film as a hobby.
    I have my film on Vimeo, YouTube and Daylimotion, most of them in good HD quality.
    On my homepage fischerholm.dk/peersfilm.htm I show all my film with a link to the site having the best quality. At the moment it is Vimeo. If it changes, I can easily change it.
    All my friends and family know this, and look the page to see if I have new film.

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  • love@go

    CD mikelis

  • love@go

    From my last posts, now I’m Vimeo PLUS user. I can add my experience with that. Since then, Vimeo offered free of charge HD playback for videos also when embedded on other sites. This is important to me, because I run two sites for promoting my video work and people have bette qulity now automaticly random played at site load (random script to pick out of all my related Vimeo videos).

    Uploading/rendering. YES, it’s faster, or I should say FAST. There is no delay line. Videos are rendered in the matter of minutes after full load. Rendering quality now is better than Youtube. I didn’t realy look much at the competition after joined Vimeo.

    My last opinion: Since all my videography competition use Youtube for ther show off, I made good choice to put stuff on Vimeo – customers says it’s better picture quality… but when they talk, I see it’s more the neighbourhood of uploded stuff. Youtube have all from complete junk to masterpieces. Vimeo have nicer interface, and most important – crowded only with estetic work. As Ferrari must not be selling in the same basement store with used car, to realy shine.- So it’s not only RAW picture quality made my choice.

  • MV

    I’m more concerned about my visitors visiting other “related videos” after viewing my video on my personal site.

    I will also pay a premium to not have a logo on my video embeds. From reading vimeo plus’ features, it seems you can have unlimited HD plays. No one has mentioned this earlier.

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  • Susan Smith

    Its all
    together two different websites, Facebook is a social networking site and you
    tube is a video sharing site. However the only link between facebook and you
    tube is, we can share the same video as seen on youtube in facebook as well.
    Cheers,
    Susan Smith 

  • Gil Gerretsen

    If you want to take iPads into consideration, I note tat only Vimeo, YouTube and Dailymotion will play on the iPad or iPhone etc.  The others are still Flash based, it appears.